• I think you nailed it with this– _”YouTube may become the Flickr of video social networks, the largest repository for higher quality content, but lacking the social interaction (and page views) of its lesser brethren.”_

    The thing I find interesting about Instagram video is the way that many of the photographers have used it to bring their photos to life. Much of what is on the #whpmovingphotos tag is like that. It is the type of thing that could never exist on YouTube, but is perfect on Instagram.

    My only beef with the 15 seconds thing is that it enables marketers to be spammy. 15 seconds is half of a TV commercial spot, and adequate time for spammy marketers to do lame announcements, contests and such. I’ve already seen some of that in my stream.

    • I agree. Short video formats do give professional videographers the opportunity to market their stuff to larger audiences.

      And I am not sure people are willing to tolerate 15 seconds of bad video as much as they will tolerate 6. Plus the UX is not as good as Vine, so casual users will have a harder time.

  • I think you are on target Geoff, we are snipping away with the amount of consumption with each interaction. I also you giving me the quote of the week and crafted it perfectly …”Facebook continues its McDonaldization of products. When another competitor does something, Facebook steals it demonstrating a lack of internal innovation.” Looking forward to your book.

    • Long term, Facebook is often playing catch up because of this. If response time fails, it will continue to see segmentation, and be forced to acquire its way into the next evolution of media. This makes it more of an AOL-esque brand than a true powerhouse, in my opinion.

      Thanks for the encouragement on the book, Randy. I appreciate your support here and in the larger social context.

  • That’s a really interesting observation, I never thought about this but you’re right. Youtube is in danger of becoming old school!

    • Very much so, and as a result of not being optimized for mobile and social. Evolution is a bitch!

  • Damn I must say that video makes me dislike LeBron a bit less now. I actually like his use. Our attention spans are shrinking no question about it. While I love some of the videos I have seen on Vine/IG, I am still not sure it will be fully embraced by the business sect. The reason in my thinking is six seconds enough to get a message across? A thank you or quick screen grab yes, but other longer how to’s or a longer FAQ/fix maybe not.

    Google has a lot of issues with social and YT is just part of the problem. I’d argue that their acquisition for relevancy could be a foreshadowing of what may be to come for FB’s me too mentality.

    • LeBron needs to save someones life if I am going to actually like him. On Vine/IG format length, some of the early experimentation would indicate that people can make it work. I kinda like it. People said the same thing about Twitter’s 140 character cap, too.

      The Google issues are another blog post in their own right. For sure. Thank you for commenting, Jeff!

  • Honestly, I think they are all very different mediums with very different purposes. Ten years ago, it would be like comparing a magazine ad to a brochure just because they happened to be printed on some form of paper.

    I’ve also never really seen YouTube as being a social network, even if it had some social aspects. It’s really about broadcast and there is nothing wrong with that. Not everything needs to be social on the web.

    • I can see why you would say that. I liken it to an early social content property that pre-existed social networks. Social networks brought the stream. The stream is the issue for YouTube, IMO. Content length, less so. But in many ways it is Flickr with a ton of search capability. And like Flickr, it is in danger of being left behind.

      • Rich nails it. It’s all about the purpose. These sites seem to be all about building a large audience of younger, mobile users, then generating eleventy-billion ad impressions. Anything about UX is spin. Shorter clips mean more impressions.

        And YouTube isn’t really a social network, either, unless your idea of social is mindless, illiterate hate speech from anonymous mouth breathers or streaming music on a background tab while you do stuff that matters. ;)

        Vimeo, however, seems to be evolving into something more mature. When there’s nothing on Netflix, and you’ve watched all the downloads, it’s nice to turn on their “Couch Mode” and check out what they recommend.

        Still. Interesting thought.

        • Guess, I’m going to have to disagree with you, too, on that one. UX is far from spin, it’s the essence of what makes a brand, and whether or not a technology takes off. As to the social network/YouTube comment, I’ll defer to my earlier comment. I do appreciate you coming by and offering this opinion.

          • No worries, Geoff. I agree with you completely on UX. Guess I’m a little pessimistic on a Monday afternoon. :P

            Yes, smaller clips mean less data meaning better UX OTA, but how much is “We want to help you connect with people all over the world on low signal” versus “We can generate 4-10X the ad impressions when videos are capped at 15 seconds each.”

            Then again, maybe Vine or whatever will be the altruistic solidarity machine I wish would grow like this. Maybe my view of Facebook – and what their aggressively pursuing this model means – is distracting me.

            This morning @timkastelle pointed out that even though 90% of something might be crap, we need to remember that 10% is still probably brilliant, and we should focus on that 10% more than the 90%.

            Clearly, I just failed to do so! #facepalm

      • I’m more inclined agree on the stream issue. Organization needs some revitalization. But in terms of ever shorter content, it’s hard for me to say too much because I’ve been bucking the shorter content trend on my blog much like someone else I know. Heh.

        Besides, a 6-second video is like a puff a smoke on a windy day. It also makes for a lousy music video. There are places it could be a win, but I’d need more than a comment to flush it all out.

  • This is very much along the lines of what you told us last September..short is good, so tighten. I have not tried Vimeo, and might, but I only recently tried instagram, right before the video rollout. I am having fun finding out how long 15 seconds really is. True, visual and short is ruling, who would have thought this short??

    • Yes. Long form works when it is rich and says what it needs to say. Rambling and long is not so good. That’s why a good editor makes a great film, versus a wreck of unnecessary scenes! Thanks for coming by! I hope you are doing well.

  • One intriguing thing – 15 seconds vs 6. I haven’t done Vine yet because I would really have to cram to fit that timeframe…even if if I just did one “tip”. 15 seconds seems much more reasonable without the viewer “checking out” because the video is too long.

    • It will certainly be interesting to see how the 15 seconds does in comparison now that there’s some weight behind it. It’s kind of like watching a grand experiment unfold before our eyes!

      • Since a test of the two platforms side by side would have too many variable to confuse results, the test would need to be a Instrgam video shared on Twitter.

        Allowing for possible love/hate of Instagram, I’d guess that Instagram would win for click, Vine for native views.

        Length tests would have to be inside the Inttram interface.. using a 6 second video vs 15 seconds.

        However, I’d still go both Vine and Instagram.. depending on where my audience is.. making it a test of how well I engage my audience, not the platform :)

    • When we look at a format as something we have to cram into, we’re going to have trouble. If the format/channe/audience changes, create for it.

      I feel your pain. I’m no record against SMS length as “will never be used” back in the early 90’s. If someone told me I’d one day write about book about 140 character messages, I would have said “impossible”

  • I sense a bit of link-baiting here. YouTube has dealt with the multitude of differing standard since it began, and led the way on interoperability. This is far from the last someone will have a new encoding, tech or artistic standard.

    Will someone make finding and watch the video I want easier? That’s the potential YouTube killer :)

    • Every post I write is meant to be linked to, Warren. Regardless of your tastes, Vine and Instagram Video make it clear that the video others want to watch is shorter than what you find on YouTube, created and viewed by their fellow social network users, and then viewed in a collective stream. Cheers.

      • Okay.. cheap shot. I like the post (unlike most all link-bait posts)

        My view is that the platform and the lengths are what they are. Yes, the two products are similar, but my Instagram audience is not my Twitter audience.. Each is more important that the channel used

        I know we agree. Pitching in my two cents for clarity and entertainment purposes.

        FYI, I found this post via the link as recommend by someone. Didn’t even catch that it was your site till later. How’s that for showing it’s great content? LOL

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